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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2011.08.20 07:52:00 -
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Quote: It is critical that some low-effort, decent-reward solo activities are available to players in nullsec. This class of content gives players a reason to stay online if nobody else is around, and it's only by getting people to stay logged on that it stops being the case that nobody else is around.
-Now, should this solo activity be cloaking at safespot before going to work or should it be solo ratting if youre the only one online in your corp atm?
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2011.08.22 09:41:00 -
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Devblog
Quote: Solo support It is critical that some low-effort, decent-reward solo activities are available to players in nullsec. This class of content gives players a reason to stay online if nobody else is around, and it's only by getting people to stay logged on that it stops being the case that nobody else is around.
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2011.08.22 10:26:00 -
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The development plan for 0.0 includes a point that states that solo-pve should be available. With cloakers in local who may or may not be afk and who may or may not have a covert cyno I fitted, and you have no way of telling, your choices are rather limited (read: Empire mission alt).
And no, simply stating that attacking you is not an AFK activity is neither funny or relevant as you have no way of telling when he gets back from work/dinner/shagging boyfriend. If there was a ping on my d-scan when the cloaker sat down in front of his computer I would be with you.
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2011.08.22 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera
Originally by: Draahk Chimera The development plan for 0.0 includes a point that states that solo-pve should be available. With cloakers in local who may or may not be afk and who may or may not have a covert cyno I fitted, and you have no way of telling, your choices are rather limited (read: Empire mission alt).
And no, simply stating that attacking you is not an AFK activity is neither funny or relevant as you have no way of telling when he gets back from work/dinner/shagging boyfriend. If there was a ping on my d-scan when the cloaker sat down in front of his computer I would be with you.
mh, the plan of having solo pve activities doesnt mean at all you should be protected from any kind of pvp, that is a stretch way too far IMO.
Who said anything about "any kind of pvp"? I thought we where talking about cloakers? There are still scramming rat frigs, ceptor pilots with godlike d-scan skills, ceptor-spammig the belts and so on. Hell, you can even camp my local with a bunch of frigs and dictors if you like. What I am against is the person who locks down a system with a cloaking ship then isnt even at the computer for hours then out of the blue attack someone in the belts as there is no defence at all from this behaviour.
To make one thing clear, I have empire mission alts so I'm not bitter. I make money just fine. I just think the whole consept of "afk cloakers" goes against the design of the game thats all.
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2011.08.22 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera
Originally by: Draahk Chimera
Who said anything about "any kind of pvp"? I thought we where talking about cloakers? There are still scramming rat frigs, ceptor pilots with godlike d-scan skills, ceptor-spammig the belts and so on. Hell, you can even camp my local with a bunch of frigs and dictors if you like. What I am against is the person who locks down a system with a cloaking ship then isnt even at the computer for hours then out of the blue attack someone in the belts as there is no defence at all from this behaviour.
To make one thing clear, I have empire mission alts so I'm not bitter. I make money just fine. I just think the whole consept of "afk cloakers" goes against the design of the game thats all.
I just pointed out the relation between the quoted devblog and the afk cloaker discussion is a huge stretch.
No you didn't. You said ratters safe from ALL pvp, and I pointed out that there are many types of pvp except "afk"-cloaking should it be nerfed. And I do see the correlation between the dev blog stating that there should be low effort solo pve and the ability to shut down all pve in a system with an "afk"-cloaker.
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2011.08.22 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Draahk Chimera Devblog
Quote: Solo support It is critical that some low-effort, decent-reward solo activities are available to players in nullsec. This class of content gives players a reason to stay online if nobody else is around, and it's only by getting people to stay logged on that it stops being the case that nobody else is around.
I would class ratting in a PvP fit ship, as a decent-reward solo activity. But do you, or do you think only a pure PvE fit ship would suffice?
Depends on the region, blood raiders are brutal to the cap and need a dedicated pve fit but apart from that, yes a pvp fitted hac would be a decent reward solo activity. No how does the hac defend himself, solo, against 10 bombers, a lach and a falcon? Most cloakers have Covert Cyno I on their ships, they dont dare to attack solo.
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2011.08.22 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Draahk Chimera
Originally by: Mag's I would class ratting in a PvP fit ship, as a decent-reward solo activity. But do you, or do you think only a pure PvE fit ship would suffice?
Depends on the region, blood raiders are brutal to the cap and need a dedicated pve fit but apart from that, yes a pvp fitted hac would be a decent reward solo activity. No how does the hac defend himself, solo, against 10 bombers, a lach and a falcon? Most cloakers have Covert Cyno I on their ships, they dont dare to attack solo.
So we agree it would be a decent reward solo activity.
Are blobs good? Well yes and no, it really depends on what side you are on. But I and many others deal with them when they happen, they are not only a part of this situation
"Yeah, blobbing sux but it happens so I'll just throw away this 150m isk HAC". Does that sound like a plausible train of thought to you? No, and thus the issue remain; a cloaker in local removes the possibility to solo rat in the system. Ergo, a single cloaker who may or may not be afk and may or may not have a Covert Cyno fitted removes the possibility of a "decent reward solo activity".
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2011.08.22 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: TharOkha If they are AFK and cloacked - They are no threat to you - solved If they kill you after they decloak - They are no longer AFK - U-boat tactics style - solved
If you cannot shoot down cloaky ship after they decloak - you fault - cloaky ships are most vurnerable ships once they are decloacked.
Go back to page 8 and read my posts.
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2011.08.23 11:14:00 -
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Seems as if the discussion is gridlocked, we will just have to wait and see what CCP does. In the meantime I will continue doing lvl4 with my alt. :)
Thanks Robert and Mag's for being gentlemen. Unusual on eve-o forums.
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